Pictures of a past project

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Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:20 pm

This section is to simply show photos of the BALLISTIC.
It was a CAMS race buggy project that Edge undertook in the late 1990's.
Completed around 2002.
Powered by a Subaru WRX turbo & Auto Transaxle.
Altronic computer.
Fore-Aft seating.
Twin tyres.
Dual acting Bellcrank suspension on each corner.
Dual fuel system, (redundant backup).
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:24 pm

Testing the Ballistic
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:26 pm

The Ballistic under construction
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:29 pm

On the Dunes at Lancelin
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:31 pm

Steve Alford, (Ballistic owner) & Tony Sanger, (Ballistic designer) out the front of Edge, approx 2000.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Back on the test track
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Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:35 pm

More testing.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:36 pm

Getting some air
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Keatsey » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:39 pm

WOW! :shock: that's alot of work in that beast! looks something out of a sci-fi movie :D

P.S Where does it live these days?
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:56 pm

It was sold to a guy in Canberra.
Then it went to Alice Springs to a new owner.
Then on to Broken Hill for the Mad Max 4 movie.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:14 pm

Some early shots, ready for its first test drives in 2000.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:25 pm

Suspension
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Keatsey » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:38 pm

Nice history even made it into the movies! There's only 1 thing that looks out of place on it and thats the wing on the front near the spot lights. Just doesn't look right in my mind but who am i to judge :lol: It's still a work of art! :mrgreen:
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby fowler » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:26 pm

whats the idea behind duals all round
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:15 pm

The front wing is made from 6mm thick Aluminium.
Its adjustable in pitch & doubles as the front bumper.
At the time CAMS had a rule of requiring a front & rear bumper.
Never got around to doing the rear one.
The wing idea was because the front of the buggy is raked up & a lot of air is channeled under the floor.
So the wing was to help keep the nose down at speed.

Idea behind the twin tyres was for dirt driving.
Same theory as with rally cars having narrow tyres.
Narrow tyres cut through the surface layer of gravel to get traction on the harder surface underneath.
The great thing was we could tune the buggies traction with different tyres as there were so many different types of Moto-X tyres available.
At one stage we had Knobbies on the inside rear & paddles on the outside rear.
So when the inside tyres sunk into boggy sand the paddles would then bite.
Running a fair amount of negative camber kept the outside tyres just off the ground untill you hit soft ground & needed more floatation.
The Ballistic never needed power steering.
It ran 6 degrees caster but was still lite on the front because of the high angle of kingpin inclination.
Never had to worry about punctures either.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Simon1 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:39 pm

Definitely very interesting from a design point of view. It is almost like your goal was to fit as many different and to my knowledge, untried concepts as you possibly could.

Fore/aft seating
Bellcrank suspension
Dual tyres..........

Did any of the original owners ever have any success with it as a race buggy?
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:28 pm

Simon, it was never raced.
Although it held a CAMS log book.
Steve who I built it for had the intention of going racing.
But just as the Ballistic was finished he sold his business & went back to TAFE to do electronics.
Not much money coming in while your at TAFE.
(He's now a top tech for Halliburton in the oil Industry).
The Alice Springs owner wanted to enter it in the Dakar & he was looking for sponsors.
But I'm sure he never actually read the FIA rule book as to be legal the Ballistic would have to carry 350 kg + of ballast.

Yes, at the time I would come up with different ideas & Steve would say, "Sounds logical, lets do it".
And all the ideas worked............phew!!

Would I do it different if I had to do it again?
Yes I would.
But more a process of refinement & better quality parts such as Shocks & Brakes etc.
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby mark_NZ » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:48 pm

Geez I must be old! I remember drooling over this when it 1st hit the website back in 2000 or so

such an awesome design :D
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Re: Pictures of a past project

Postby country kid » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:05 am

wow tony looks like some insane ideas and development went into that, ground breaking ideas. bugger it was never raced. was it really used in the mad max movie 4?? haha
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Pictures of a past project

Postby Tony » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:57 am

Yes it was used in the filming of the Mad Max 4 movie untill film production stopped.
They must have run out of money.
The Ballistic was re covered with a narrowed steel Holden body.
Looked a bit silly after they done that.
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